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Post by brahski on Jan 31, 2007 17:34:20 GMT -5
clay, meeting this weekend at octo sounds good. let me know. i work till 9 friday. dont think im working at all sat or sunday all, here is a boing board recording i did, tentativly entitled "rising tortoise" www.mediafire.com/?9guwjtmdkum
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Post by brahski on Feb 1, 2007 2:10:30 GMT -5
actually i am working friday till 9, then saturday 12-3, if yalls were coming down, it could be saturday eve is better. either is fine though...i'd just have to get up at 10:30 saturday, not a big deal. definitly off sunday.
will know more about febuary schedule soon. 2/23,24,25 may be good to go.
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Post by unoclay on Feb 1, 2007 11:09:23 GMT -5
Ok Nicky-poo!!, maybe Sunday afternoon we could do something? I will try to discuss with Caleb. We could do a double-pronged art attack on this one: Do some Octo-Practicing and then also shoot a scene or two for Caleb's film. Your locale is perfect in terms of the forest. We need to consciously zero in on the real theme of the film, virus/plant seen dissemination across landscapes. I think the director is feeling as though the film is getting off track in terms of "aliens" when actually the story is something different. We did a short 2nd shoot last weekend and we kind of tried to get into this. Will discuss this more with out mouths rather than our fingers.
Agenda for Octo practice: learn the end of La La La (i think thats the title--one of the ones from Medina St. practice). I think its on the CD i gave you..its a really simple scale that ends the da-dunk da-dunk section, kind of a floating etherial melody that carries the song to conclusion. It would take you only seconds to learn. I think i could learn the bass part to give you/Caleb something to work with. We can also work on coming up with something else, all our own. I have one inew dea that perhaps we could work on, kind of heavy ("Nasty") i plan on teaching Caleb the song in the next few days sos you 2 could advance it.
Will keep ya updated!
Unfortunately, I am NOT all good for final weekend in February (have already bought plane tix to Salt Lake--the one weekend not on the table for me). I will openly say that I can miss the VT session if necessary, although i was supposed to drive you and Caleb to the site. Lets discuss. Joe will probably say that i need to be there, as i would like to be. However i am way willing to compromise for the sake of "get er done".
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Post by JOE on Feb 4, 2007 14:56:15 GMT -5
An awesome cartoonist from the UK gave me the ok to use his "bear bones" cartoon in our project... Check it out: degicank.googlepages.com/b%26amp%3Bb%3Adreams2and check out his other art: www.spencerhill.co.ukAlso I have posted the "lost" logo Kinder sent us in Nov. at the site. Between these two guys and vorcan I foresee Bear bones being a great success.
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Post by joe on Feb 4, 2007 15:17:32 GMT -5
We need to start thinking about distribution. Noob sugested amazon, but I don't know if it will be advantages: advantage.amazon.com/gp/vendor/public/join-advantage-musicI can sell from my store, www.cafepress.com/degicankrecordsbut they take 5 bucks right off of the top, so we couldn't sell the disc for less than 5$, we'de probably want to go up to 8$ or 10$. What do you guys think? The advantage to mystore is they will take care of making the actual cds so we don't need to shell oyut 1k to start... other options?
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Post by Bill on Feb 4, 2007 15:28:46 GMT -5
I dont know what amazon charges.. but i think the more exposure the better.
Also we should follow Mr Kellehers lead and use paypal. How is that working out for you Chris?
If you set up a paypal account they will provide you with code to setup a rudamentarey shopping cart. I think this will provide the best way to sell with the least taxation.
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Post by unoclay on Feb 5, 2007 12:08:34 GMT -5
Hello there, My .00002$ is that am in favor of any set-up you prefer. I agree that whatever method = ease of sales will be the best. Ease and no worry. If there is a cafepress-style system that will yield actual CDs (avoiding the 1000s of cost) this is pretty great. The only thing that I wonder about is how does one get copies to sell at shows around West Philly, i.e. Merch tables? Do we have to buy our own CDs in order to market them? This is ok, but i am only gonna buy 3 or 4 at a time and then re-up when i sell the first 3 or 4.
In any case--i may be alone on this one--i have never acutally believed in the possibility of making money off of art because good art is, most of the time, not generally something that people will pay for. Planet 22 is--at its best-- more genius than most stuff I've ever heard (equal, at moments, to Miles Davis genius) but not very marketable unless Pop Set is the rule of the game...and even then....kind of abrasive for most pop ears.
Anyway, these days, imho, its becoming impossible to make money off of music/art, unless you tour for big bling. Filesharing and CD duplication c= the end of $$ from recordings, imho. I am honestly surprised that the option of selling CDs is even on the table, but thats probably because i only bought maybe 2 cds in 2006. Most of my listening comes from streaming internet radio, the regular radio (college stations, WXPN, NPR, etc), file downloads (i.e. Phish, Biscuits, Dead, Etc)...and the best $12 i ever spent, a subscription to econocank records. Still have hundreds of songs to check out.
I dunno. Vorcan and others seem to have different views of things (i.e. financial success), and are perhaps right? Some do make it, but they're such a small % of the hungry aesthetic masses...In summary, i am in favor of lots of sales that will land all of us in one of those emission-free 90,000$ cars that the guys from Google have been touting.
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Post by pfffft on Feb 5, 2007 13:27:03 GMT -5
"good art is, most of the time, not generally something that people will pay for. Planet 22 is--at its best-- more genius than most stuff I've ever heard (equal, at moments, to Miles Davis genius)"
this statement is absurd on several levels. if you play It, they will come. if you are miles, you will be quite comfortable, and influence music in major ways for decades, including inventing modal jazz and spurring jazz fusion. every band has someone who thinks they are the greatest ever. often times, its their mothers. plannet 22 is awesome, i agree 100%, but how often do they play concerts or do things that could generate $ or potential growth/$? what i'm saying is, i think if P22 went "all in", they would be able to generate some funds.
there are many tiers of "success" in terms of making mmoney for art, but i think even the lower tiers are noteworthy. you can make money with art, no question. people do it all the time. just look around. musicians get by if they are gung-ho and skilled/creative/etc. if not "get by", then atleast supplement their life expenses with playing... people still want to be excited , entertained, and enriched, so there will always be a market for art. it may not always look the same... i.e. computer revolution. its harder for bands to sell cds i guess, but if you cut out the middle man (label), and sell for less... and put on shows, people just might buy them....
how this applies to bear bones and banjo jones... i dont know, it probably doesnt. i quite agree with you that i expect to make little or nothing , moneywise from this anytime soon. local gigging is the first step, and the members are not local so that kinda inhibits that. but there are markets out there, potentially. but due to the nature of this project, im not sure how wise it would be to invest in creating a bunch of copies of expensive cds. espeically considering we've only played together once thus far. ive never looked into that sort of production cost though. you could buy blanks and cases, and print out liners... wouldnt be that expenisve for enough for 50 or something. print more as needed.
all this said, art for arts sake is still great, and certainly worthwhile. my favorite thing is just playing. i wouldnt be opposed to generating more $ from playing though... i have intentions to do this after we move to the mtns. clay i know i took you out of context (BnB), however, this is an interesting area of inquirey for me so i had to type some thoughts out.
"good art" / "bad art" you know ive had my share.
n
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Post by chriscank on Feb 5, 2007 15:00:37 GMT -5
If there was no money in art, there would be no art schools, no art grants, no art teachers, no museums, no galleries, no visual anything, no logos, no advertising, no music, no instruments, no chairs, no puppets, no childhood imagination.....you get the point.
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Post by spicesyoucantresist on Feb 6, 2007 0:03:53 GMT -5
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Post by bone on Feb 6, 2007 1:48:45 GMT -5
in the story, are the bones a human skeleton or a bear skeleton?
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Post by Bones on Feb 6, 2007 3:05:43 GMT -5
In the story the "bones" are what the musicians are searching for.
IE: I would play banjo better if I had a bone to suck on
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Post by Art is Murder on Feb 6, 2007 4:46:45 GMT -5
If there was no money in art, there would be no art schools, no art grants, no art teachers, no museums, no galleries, no visual anything, no logos, no advertising, no music, no instruments, no chairs, no puppets, no childhood imagination.....you get the point. Is this why art departments are ALWAYS the first ones to loose funding in public schools? Art is a luxury that very few can afford. Sports, that's where the real money is. Art is a dieing beast, expression is the last item on a long list of basic needs. A very long list.
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Post by Art Fag on Feb 6, 2007 4:55:33 GMT -5
What are the nation wide stats on how badly music and fine arts program funding is being cut in American schools?
How does the US compare to the rest of the world when it comes to spending on arts education?
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Post by degijames on Feb 6, 2007 7:11:24 GMT -5
"Art is a luxury that very few can afford. Sports, that's where the real money is"
Hmmmm..... that's a great point. when was the last time you heard of a ghetto kid rising above all with a paintbrush? Now a basketball, that's a common thing these days. Football, very common indeed.
I don't see many ghetto kids being accepted to juliard, moore or tyler. But villanova, temple and penn state yes
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