Nic is too modest, he has gotten really good. Sure maybe there are many 'tiers' of accomplishment still to go, but as a lay-listener to banjo etc, I'd say he's damn close to genius.
I should probably clarify when i say "synth" i probably mean "sound effects and odd noise fills". I dont have a particular preference by what means/instruments these concepts get onto the album. Joe has demonstrated his expertise in sound-effect/post-prod mastery (i.e. 300 recordings in the vein of Automatic Writings, etc) and so im sure it will come out exactly as it should.
Nic i really think you should do some faux southern bluegrass vocals on this thing. Perhaps a retake on "set it and forget it" or a new song?
Hey Nic your myspace music blew me and Thor away last night. Thor has a mini recording studio and we were doing some non-together-jamming-meandering and then we put on your sounds and the boing?board was just incredible.
Anyone on this thread coming to Future Rock tonight? At the Fire....
clay said: "Hey Nic your myspace music blew me and Thor away last night. Thor has a mini recording studio and we were doing some non-together-jamming-meandering and then we put on your sounds and the boing?board was just incredible."
thanks dude! this egostroking is great. ;-)
for clarity, there is no boing board action in those recordings... what you are hearing in that one track(froggy's midnight skedaddle) is a Jaw-Harp , also known as a jews harp, juice harp, and other monikers. (http://jas-townsend.com/images/large/jh-402.jpg) the boing board is really cool though, has sort of an Indian (eastern) sound, especially the way the strings are tuned...but it has these pieces of scrap metal lodged between the strings on the other side of the , uh thingies... dont know what to call em... but its like the part of the strings on a guitar above the nut or below the bridge, so the metal doesnt mute the resonating strings, but you can whack the pieces in various ways to create percussive sounds and boing-tastic effects... i'll have to show you. its somewhere between a zither(http://www.woodnstrings.com/images/instruments/16string-Zither.jpg) and a hammer dulcimer (http://www.marcillewallis.com/Dulcimer_hands.jpg)...only with scrap metal pieces inserted here and there, and strings mounted on a board instead of a box with a soundhole.
the myspace recordings came from a percussion duet my friend Justin (alabama) and i made last year. i added some delay and phasing in garageband, and put the jaw harp in on the one "song", and banjo on the other (coocoos dream), using the ghetto mic that is inside of a powerbook. a nice mic is what my setup is severly lacking.
I know what you mean about needing a mic upgrade, I've been using the same half broken radio shack mic for 6 years. The "sound Gurus" say that the most important part of your rig is the mic, garbage in garbage out, but I can't force my self to get a new one while this still works. Don't worry about being long winded, this is the nerdzone!
I have aboout 8 new possible tunes/chord progressions, I'll try to get them organized and up to "esnips" asap. take care...
thanks for all the clarification. I think you'd mentioned the boinger beeforree. Thor was really impressed. He does a lot of recording in his kitchen studio (was working on a Kazoo symphony the other night) and was like, "uh, one of these days nic needs to come sit in my kitchen for a few minutes". He promised not to attack you with any cubes and/or evil muppets.
Promises are made to be broken however.
I am out of the office for this week but will return to online presence as of Friday. My attentdance may be sporadic on the net until then. or perhaps not.
Nic are you 2 coming up for the Saturday night "Toilet Cat Barfday Party" at the Daily sUPPlement show?
First off let me say I’m very excited about this. I don’t want it to seem like work, so at any time please announce if things are going the wrong way, these are some rough ideas, but we can break it down more simply or in a different way. No worries, no problems…
I want to try one “Jail Mama”, the demo is kind of rough… Here are some rough ideas for chord progressions:
6/8 E C D F
And ¾ A D F C ***************** Some more with demos(check link above), these are keyboard tracks just to explore the chords, things will be totally different with the bassbanjoguitdrumband: Jam in c, here are three examples of different ways to go while staying grounded in C. On the track “05 beat” around 5:25 is something I can’t quite do but want to try a kind of continuously moving line in the different instruments, then the wah wah wah wahwah right after that.
4 a min c c# a 5 d f# g# 6 word 7 7b, 8<--- 8 fming#fmin g# fmin*cdgf#* fmi g# fmin g# end in c ***************************************************** These are the new ideas since we started working on talking about this progect, The producer has picked some sections of earlier tracks we should look into also. If none of these sound like the right chord progressions thats ok we'll look into some others...
**************************8 CLAY the best thing to do may be to call me and play the tracks and I can name them. I'm not sure what greatest hits disc had 27 tracks on it???
cool, havent listened yet, but will when i get off work at noon today.
i definitly shouldve said this earlier (and please dont take it the wrong way), but we should have atleast a song or two or 3 in the key of G or A, those are the home keys for banjo and thats where you get that driving rolling open stringed thing going... which i know is not the focus, but i think a couple of songs would be "headY" with that.
some of my favorite planet 22/panang tracks are the ones in 2/4 with the demented/cosmic circus polka kinda thing, that would lend itself really well to some banjo picking, especially if the tunes were in G or A. or that are centered or "hang" on a G or A for a bit as a central theme to the song.
THAT SAID, getting out of the banjo comfort zone is where a lot of good original music lies, so I'm ALL ABOUT other keys, and weird progressions and stuff... maybe a driving G or A song will be one that i can come up with after i get a feel for where our creative juices be flowin'.... i'm a big fan of collaboration, batting ideas back and fourth, so we'll see where it goes
im just thinking out loud here... in sum, a song or 3 in the peoples key could go a long way for flexing the fingers.
clay, yes we'll definitly be at the tDS gig saturday, im really looking forward to it. ive seen them maybe 2 times, but both times involved a lot of extra cirricular distractions of the big veiny uno types... i.e. clay clones having beast sex with centaurs behind the boogie tarp, or Ninja Lou pop n lock while crusty poops the barn, etc.
another idea for the Boney Banjo thing, say we have the songs and interludes, it would be cool if some sort of theme were developed and repeated or permutated throughout, perhaps within songs, and within the interludes, either and/or... perhaps thats the kinda thing that could emerge once we start slinging stuff back and forth or get into a room at some point.
wow joe, good work on getting so much stuff together so quickly.
Joe: I will call you Friday or Monday and play the songs from greatest hits over the phone. Hope for the message machine so I can leave extended clips?
review of the posted tracks:
JailMama: I think this one could be a really great song in the tradition of those upbeat rockers by people who play upbeat rockers. It is tough for me to get a handle on how this one might fit into a ‘Bass and Banjo’ tune, but I am not exactly good at converting the sounds of one instrument into the sounds of another. Wherever vision and ideas might take this one, im sure it will be good. I thought it was funny and this is a good start…?
Jam in C>You are a fool: This one is more of a style that I am not sure how it will sound if completely redone into a bass and banjo style song. However if this track were to be over/underplayed with some driving bass and some ethereal (far-out spacy echo) banjo it would work. This kind of track is super useful for the mindset of the vibe.
Jam in C > 05 beat jam: this one is fabulous and my favorite so far. I can completely hear Nic playing some plunky, medium-slow paced banjo overtop of it. Nic, listen to the 4:00-7:00 and imagine Ernest’s part from Whats the Use, then imagine emulating with banjo (ha ha you have no sustain!!). Pacing=slower, yet funny because banjo sounds plunky, but play it with majestic phrasing. This one would be the most easy to imagine adding Caleb/Josh, if you were somehow able to weave the track in/out of the final recording. Like play the track loud enough to jam with it, and have the 4? of you play a jam that corresponds with this track, then weave the preexisting track in-and-out of the new Live track….dig? No matter what happens, this one is a keeper ‘as-is’ for future releases, or for the current album. 0:00-7:00=Perhaps fade in/fade out of the album? I dunno. The 2nd half (7:00-end) is excellent, but I like the first half much better and think it might prove more useful for this project?
Jam in C>3 track: Now this one isn’t much bass or banjo at all. I call this one more of a song written for a keyboard. I humbly think this one would need some more love before anyone would say “good boy, you’re the doggy for me”
04Track4: I like the urgency of this one. I was trying to hear the ‘bass’ part, and if Joe wanted to do it, I think this song could work. Now, I don’t think Nic would be much interested (?) in emulating the lead part (as phrased on this recording, kind of fast and difficult to learn) but he could surely bring something to the table if the basic structure was happy times? Might need a lot of work to get all players on the page with something that’s so all-over-the-place…Josh would like to play this beat though. And the keyboard part could be added after the fact. I know Joe could play this bass
05 Track 5: This one is very quiet and I don’t think it Is a very good song for the album unless it is the very first track. Maybe it can be between every single track as well. Seriously though I don’t think it uploaded correctly.
06Track6: Now this one is good. A lot of potential for the ‘right sound’…at least I can imagine it. If Joe plays the Bass part as represented here, and Nic hits the banjo….this one could go places. Perhaps I can just imagine it because the keyboard sounds like banjo at the outset. Again, I think this one is a keeper even if it doesn’t get used for this project. The recording you posted could definitely be a good template IMHO for a good jam/song. I don’t know that Nic knows how to make his banjo mutate like the one at the end of this recording but maybe we can get some cosmic vibes going….
07Track7: Im getting a little oversaturated but Im not sure how to make this one work. Probably just cant convert it to bass/banjo/etc in my head.
08Track8: Again, like 04Track4, I like the urgency. Almost the same comments as 04. At the 4:45 mark, I feel like I know this song from somewhere else, another cank release perhaps…? Don’t know how Nic will work with this one?
Overall, my favorites from this batch include JailMama, Jam in C>05BeatJam, and 06Track6. I think these have the most promise for current needs.
Nic I am curious what you think of these items. They certainly aren’t what I expected to be hearing, but then I would have been all “so predictable” rather than surprised. What do you think in terms of the posted items, are they anything/everything you could work with?
It is bedtime which means I must eat a snickers candy bar.
i agree with clay, that with some of these its hard to imagine how it would work. i definitly think track 6 has the right idea. those synth-banjo arpeggios are probably well out of reach for anyone with human hands, but what definitly could be done/approximated is that sort of rhythm/notes over any chord. the banjo involves right hand "Rolls", which can move over any chord and be permutated to various degrees and through chord inversions, altered rolls, etc.
a jam based around C could also work without a doubt.
i will speak my mind now and say that , i think this project will be difficult to achieve , kinda of like a "long distance relationship". ideally, we could start with a concept or idea, as has been hatched in this thread, and then get together and bounce some things around and see what comes out, then let it take a musical life of its own outside the realm of total preconception. that is going to be tough becaues of the space between "us". that said, im not naysaying it or anything, just that im having a hard time imagining it working without hashing it out in real time. im just thinking... we could get some chord progressions or themes, phat basslines etc... then jam on it, get it worked up and see if a melody or bucket of truth presents itself .
im not trying to be a defeatist though... like clay said, track 6 has a lot of potential, and perhaps this is just a step in the process... im game. i didnt get past track 6 yet, so i'll check out the rest in a bit.
yeah, lets have one jam in g, one in a and then maybe even one that goes G A G A.
A continueous theme would be pretty awesome, I don't think I'll be able to come down there anytime soon, do you think the month timeline is feasable if we do the longdistance corespondance coaborlation? Did you get a chance to recruit caleb yet? Josh also has an awesome song "sacrifice" that we should include. Take care...
Thanks for the feedback. These keyboard versions should provide a rough outline of how the chords could go together, they will definitely be a lot different in the bass banjo paridigm. I'll rework the ones youve aproved and work to bring you some more and also think about the A and G jams. I'll do a little bit different versions tonight as just piano to show how the same chord progressions can come out in different ways. I want to do a bass/banjo demo version soon, but I'm realy short on time, i'm just stuffing this stuff into the timecracks...
This is going great, I'll keep feeding you demos and you can pick out the ones that feel right...
don't worry... i think you'll see what i mean when i repost the chord progressions with different instrumental make ups.
If it turns out we need to change the timetable to allow more facetime that is ok, but part of this experiment is in the implementation of long distance correspondance, I'd like to stay the course for now, if things get too hairy we can cut and run.
One mor etime though, this is fun I don't want it to become work...