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Post by unoclay on Mar 13, 2003 2:33:38 GMT -5
Hey there, You closed the thread before i could post on it. So here's a post regarding a thread that was closed before i could post on it. Commence posting:
Hey there, Wow i really liked that thread. I like that we are "allowed" to talk shit and then all be friends--though I'd like to see Eli and James give eachother big 'freedom smootchies' (cause french kissing is unpatriotic these days) and prove it to me.
Ok, now to the point. The unobop#5, where allegedly "uno" hated on "22". First things first, so James fooled you into believing Lou is a real person. Actually James did not write that--Lou is a composite "bitch" personality which we pass around on unoList, sort of like this forum. "Lou" often represents adverse political perspectives, untempered sexism, and just generally hostility. Someone--a real person--did indeed post that they hated p22 via the mechanism of Lou. However to say that Lou was representative would be a stretch.
In some realness: p22 definitely had a hard boot to fill for Bop5--see, our friends Japhy Ryder have played "uno" parties for years, and they're a much more straight-ahead, funk+jamband/rock unit. The're somewhere between tame and freaky, but their songs have definite structure and vocals. Not exactly "uno" in their aesthetics, but not exactly "not". Meaning they are exactly. See, when people get used to something, they tend to be like, "hey i liked that familiar something". Especially when Bop#2 and #3 set a freakin' high standard for entertainment. Hell, "Lou" ended part 3 by sticking "his penis" into a rubber doll while on 7+ doses, right in front of about 10 people, also on doses. So now fast-forward to 2002, and people are looking for experiences similar to previous ones, when, ignorantly enough, they should recognize that they'd be better off trying to have an entirely new uno birthday, like chowder did, rather than relive old ones. Here's where p22 enters the picture.
I, personally, am obviously on the side of p22 philosophies and approaches. I will not name those approaches to avoid having splatters on my virtual clothing. However in order for many seasoned Unos to understand p22, they might have had to either A: Attend State College B: Have a Headfull of Fun while listening C: Be A Philosophy Major D: Not be "Lou"
I think it would be fair to say that many people were relatively indifferent to the music rendered that fateful night, while about %20 were hostile, and perhaps %35 were with you in some various (positive) forms. Most people reported having had a great time, which says something. Most people also did not pay the attention due to p22s art. However even smart people often forget that the most interesting stuff tends to demand a large degree of concentration, and perhaps this wasnt the right night to ask it of people. And perhaps i personally think most people are too aesthetically limited to dig on true weirdness. No wonder it took the Velvet Undies about 20+ years to achieve the noteriety they so deserved when they were Warhol's house band.
One of my roommates, who is critical as hell, soberly pronounced p22 to be "f***ing rad". Also noted, he payed a lot of attention to their/your set. On the other hand, one of my co-party-planners&financiers, who possesses a large fondness for country music and Japhy Ryder, thought p22 was terrible. Everyone from State College was into it, while <all> of the haters were not. I do not know what this data means.
Please note: "uno" does not hate p22, but then again, i suppose i'd have to ask it/them/us/you to determine for sure. Be sure to let me know when you've figured out how we might do so. I've been working on this for years and it seems like the horizon is receeding....
I taped 'bop5 to analog tapes. I listen to them and enjoy it. Jack i am glad you didnt quit because the show was not that bad. In order for a show to be <that> bad i presume George Dubya would have to attend and then request you guys to be the new voice of patriotism. THATS when its time to call it a day.
thoughts on this open thread are welcome. Wait, this is shit talk area. Hey, you are a bunch of nerds!!
is that better?
--CL
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Post by unoclay on Mar 13, 2003 2:45:04 GMT -5
hey thats funny you cant say f*** without the automatic editor kicking in, but i bet i can type INCEST all day long
Please pardon a "Childish Experiment":
Genocide Hypothermia Herpies My Big Fat Greek Wedding SHIT DICK gay George Bush Calculus Anus Sex Anal Sex Your mom's genitals Cunt Hitler Fetus Gunshots in West Philly at 2:39 AM Paycut Corporate Greed HardOn The New Doors Hard On Pussy Unjustified Economic Sancations Greed f***
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Post by Degicank Inc on Mar 13, 2003 7:37:03 GMT -5
I think you're going to send the republicans that watch dog this site into a MOAB releasing frenzy. Just to comment on your freedom smootch resolution; I think Saddam has a better chance of a french kiss from me than a animal abusing, tone deaf, self righteous, oligarcal supporting college student. Perhaps there will come a day when Eli and I will see eye to eye. But with business plans and internet ultimatums to his band mates i think that day is far from here. Free-form should cover more than just the musical aspect of Planet 22. Business plans help run businesses like wal-mart, sears, GM, PSU. I don't think, ok I'll be truthfull, I know they won't help Planet 22 so why waste the time? Oh, I felt compelled to lock the thread this sprang from. Bill pressured me into it with his "2 more posts away" comment. Looks like Eli got the last word on that!
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Post by degicank on Mar 13, 2003 10:12:04 GMT -5
Well I think "these things are so easily misunderstood" as they say in "Who's Harry Crumb?". I new the situation going to Unobop 5, and I knew there was no way to come to the Degicank 5th and 14th annual Timequake with a new Last Band and try to act like it is all that.
Jaffe's reputation has spread far and wide, and UnoClank had discussed the situation with me, not just about what what happen this year, but about what would happen every UnoBop before that. Unfortunetly Deg I Cank was TCOB at remote broadcasts each NYE up until now. As you know many times I try to stay out off the P22 song/set descision making process. I've pick plenty of sets in the past, and will pick many in the futre so if someone else has some ideas, usualy I want to stay out of it. At UnoBop 5, I knew we were going into a delicate situation. We Had to just try to blend into the party so we would not upset their "This aint Jaffe" mechanism. It had to be done this way so if they are graceous enough they will have us back for Unobop 6 but their defences have been negated. This will set us up for 7th heaven and hell and Boo+CO. smashing through the windows Minority report evil level 7 style. I've seen a lot off reports and I am very familiar with our data but I think this would be a very high evil level for a lot of the Crew. There is a lot going on behind the scenes when you have broad temporal span companies like Uno or Degicank. I think the "Captain" knows the plan so just sit back and enjoy the ride.
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Post by johnnyjupiter on Mar 13, 2003 14:35:37 GMT -5
Lou, your a real A-hole, but I dig your styleeze... Lou, maybe you can explain to our friend James that sometimes, some smack needs to be talked, but it aint nothin between some good folk... It's a shame it has to come to this, seeing that our ol' buddy was the one who wanted to start this whole round of "critical enlightenment", but he seems to take it to heart when it comes back at him. That's ok though, we know him too well to give up on him. He'll come around, and when he does, I'll give him a big Iraqi kiss...I'll drop a nuke on him... WWWWHHHHOOOOOOHHHHHH!! TO UNO KIDS AND ALL: Thanks for the critiques...both good and bad. I just want to let everyone know that its ok to think P22 sucks. It's ok to think Velvet Underground sucks, or Frank Zappa, or Phish, or Disco Biscuits, or tha Bar Kays, or Kraftwerk, or KRS 1, or Red Rocket, or.... It's a good sign that you are listening and forming your own opinions rather then following the sheep dawg into the slaughter house just because it's what all the other sheep are doing. And when I hear music that moves me but all the people around me can't understand it and find it offensive or boring or weird....when I know that I'm onto something that many people can't really understand, that's when I know I found my plane, I've found my reality... Thanks Red Rocket, where ever you are, for being so gad-dam rough...thanks Frank for never underminding substance and always keeping it interesting and raunchy...thanks KRS 1, for being so gad-damn intelligent. And thanks, everyone and anyone who hates Planet 22, because you make it special for the rest of us. signed... A recently former member of the minority in the audience who repeatedly got brain-fuked by P22...
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Post by The Easter Bunny on Mar 13, 2003 20:42:08 GMT -5
Is this JohnnyJupiter serious? What the hell is he talking about?
I think sone chick stated that being nice to each other would be more effective than crap talking on each other so why does this guy encourage crap talking? I just don't get the majority of people on this board. Are they really Planet 22 fans or is this some sort of twisted playground for bored people?
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Post by degijames on Mar 13, 2003 22:42:13 GMT -5
Why don't you all just change your name to Eli and the Gwinns? You can't post for the whole band based on your opinions and thoughts. That is misrepresentation and I'm sure no one has put in thier years of practice and performing for Eli to represent them.
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Post by The Easter Bunny on Mar 14, 2003 1:36:36 GMT -5
Who is this Eli? Is he JohnnyJupiter? Why do people have these wierd names and then refer to each other by common names? Doesn't make much sense to me.
I'd like to take this time to say to Degijames that is was very unfair and wrong of you to do what you did to Bill. People like to keep thier opinions to themselves sometimes and it was unfair of you to spam mail Bills thoughts to everyone. I hope he doesn't get the oppurtunity to do it to you, and if he does I'm sure he will repect your wishes and not e-mail them to everyone he knows.
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Post by PREAM on Mar 14, 2003 3:31:29 GMT -5
Planet22 Rules Everything Around Me; P.R.E.A.M. Eli playin boards ya'll
From: "Josh Wenger" <wengerworld@h...> Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:54 pm Subject: Why we hate p22
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"We. started in 1st heaven and progressed through each wave going wider until now we are still in/playing the 6th hell."
Well, at least you guys admit you sounded like hell.
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Post by Planet22maniac on Mar 14, 2003 5:52:03 GMT -5
Looks like this thread is the most productive by far. Many people posting, no shit talk on each other and an over all communication worth keeping. Noob what is your role hear with Planet 22?
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Post by degijames on Mar 15, 2003 5:23:28 GMT -5
PLease feel free to express exactly what you do not enjoy about the situation at hand, Examples do far more work than blanket statements. The freedoms enjoyed by all are fully represented here and will be truthfully protected so long as thee snipe not less ye be sniped.
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Post by unoclay on Mar 15, 2003 13:15:53 GMT -5
I'd just written a really long thread on this subject and the powers that be (namely Chris Moleys computer) made it delete or something, well thats Karma for you. i drank a bunch of Kirk's beers last night so i suppose i was overdue for a karmic episode.
The point was: I currently enjoy mentalizing the statement by johnny Jupiter: "the fact that haters exist make it all the more special for those who dont hate." Which i agree, and will henceforth refer to as the "elitist enjoyment effect (E3)". This use of 'elitism' is not meant as a derogatory thing, but moreover intends to denote the exclusitory/duality nature of us/them subjectivity. Fans' ID established due to awareness of non-IDs in world. We like the object because it's our private idaho, not Theirs. Happiness through self-recognition via external object as medium. "hey look there's something thats part of me!!" Vicarious existence (hopefully? contributing to self-development) of activity. I've got degidollars in my pocket and i feel like im rich. Somehow this seems correct. beware, through the medium of other bands, frequently noted the 'backlash effect' occuring...this is when a band becomes so successful that there must be Haters for the sake of the Hater's own identity. They seem to represent the obverse of the E3 principle, establish self-ID by contrasting self to fan-ID. "Yo i hate Hootie and Blowfish 'cause they be suckin". Bad example, but the Backlash is frequent, and often tends to occur to "hardcore fans" when something gets "popular". --->'Yo its not the same anymore, i remember when this junk used to rawk dood'. Not to deny that everyone deserves to like/dislike on their own will. Go for it!!
for aestheticly compelled haters: All of this presumes that something in particular is supposed to occur when an artist steps onto stage, or that "Planet" has any teleological purpose other than the moment-by-moment manifestation OF p22 itself, whatever that might be at that present moment. Get it? "We", "them", "everyone" tend to ascribe cause>effect onto the universe, when the universe (in this case Dank rhYthm) might not be asking for justification or purpose, or even existence itself. We're scientists examining a creepy virus. Dont try and pretend it's evil, though.
To eli: Me personally dont give mad big cares at all to whether or not p22 gets gigantic or stays little, or whether some /people/unos/degis/degiunos/unodeadguys get their rocks off on Hatin. See cuz here's where im at (big main sentimental nonsense point to follow):
I'd be a fawkin lyer if i didnt say that i would like to see all my friends making art-like noises when im 66 years old, and it would be jim-dandy rip roarin excellent happy pants to know that many of those peeps are de same ones i've treasured for years. Players inevitably go in and out of the game, lay their cards down, sometimes pick em up later. A lot of the time, we invite new kids to play, and then the roster rotates in the glorious eye of the inevitable. to forget about the constant of change is the same as neglecting to zip one's fly.
Cause see, art, for many critics, is ultimately in the eye of the beholder (not neccessarily my viewpoint), but since that beholder happens to be me, Im gonna say "goodnight" to carin about doze Non-Fans because my e3ID is fulfilled by knowing who my favorites are. I get to listen to cds i enjoy and have a show to attend. And in the final analysis there's nothing i like better than seeing original behavior in the presence of history. Which is what the haters are missing out on, and then i laugh and think of myself as so much better because i "was there man, i was there when the third eye opened". And then my third eye notices that Gopper's pizza opened 2 hours ago and its time for norishment.
all the love to state college CL
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Post by johnnyjupiter on Mar 16, 2003 17:44:57 GMT -5
very well formulated thoughts and ideas, unoclay...
I am not too worried about P22 getting big or popular...by the time MSG tickets are going on ebay for $22,000, I'll be long gone...chillin on my dock over the swamps of New Orleans...James' will finally get his way and kordish will take over on keys...and all this provok-talk will be totally en vogue...
See, I'm just tellin those who stated that they feel P22 sucks, or, more importantly, those who didn't state it but feel that way...I'm just sayin, HOLLA! You know, speak up...say what you feel...or don't, but just understand that it's all part of the whole...it all adds up, your thoughts and actions, my thoughts and actions, everyones, fate, everything adds up to make it what it is, and there's no sense trying to hide or B.S. cause that's no fun...HOLLA!!
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Post by unoclay on Mar 17, 2003 17:25:16 GMT -5
on the other hand, regaring "hollering", I find that sometime shittalk can be healthy and useful, while a lot of the time the shit-talking gets old and useless, or at worst, self-serving. Lately on unolist there's been a few moments of pure, unadulterated hostility (regarding specific incidents, many of the incidents not fit for online context IMHO--but thats just MY opinion), which i personally find to be useless or, even worse, 'un-fun'.
Truth and its components are useful. Truth shall not be hidden behind veils of crapulence. Truth, sometimes however bloody, must be exposed for the ugly monster it is. However, as ro9ce taught me years ago, sometimes its MUCH MOREvaluable for the speaker-of-truth to consider HOW s/he reveals the truth, than simply TO reveal it. AKA "the means determines the message", since the receiver-of-truth is inevitably going to color the conveyed message with their "own" perspectives.
In other words, use caution when thinking that freedom of speech is always a good thing, for sometimes speech itself does not accurately convey or achieve the intended messages....in some cases, has the exact opposite effect of the intended.
However this is what i liked about the "shiz-talkin" forum in the firstplace, if the rules "really are" no holds barred. But i bet peeps be kidding themselves if dey always walk away from a degipost imagining, "hey that issue didnt hurt my feelings or effect me at all"
huh?
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Post by pLAnet twentwyblew on Mar 17, 2003 19:46:22 GMT -5
yeh, but it makes me feel so good. by the wat why is it so f***in cool to be isrish today. what about tonorrow??
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