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Post by iambillsmith on Apr 11, 2006 11:54:17 GMT -5
Hey chucks farm peeps. My name is Bill, I am with a group of people in the Pittsburgh area that are in charge of a small summer music festival called Lumber Jam. This year we are making LJ a little bigger and are having this years event at Sunshine Daydreams Music Park in Terra Alta, WV. We are still looking for a few bands to play over the weekend(july 21,22,23) and would like to see if any SC bands are into the idea. If you have a band or know a band send a press kit or a link to some info and recordings to bands@lumberjam.com or the mailing address at lumberjam.com
thanks guys Bill williamdsmith@gmail.com
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Post by Bill on Apr 11, 2006 12:14:21 GMT -5
Im sure P22 and TDS will be all over this.
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Post by degicank on Apr 11, 2006 22:53:16 GMT -5
Thanks Bill, I sent in an info email, put in the good word for planet 22!!! I recomend Borderless Puzzle also... www.theborderlesspuzzle.comTheir website is off the hook, no flash required but it sure looks like it...
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Post by iambillsmith on Apr 12, 2006 9:33:20 GMT -5
thanks for the info. yes borderless has played lumberjam in the past, they are a really good band
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Post by eargoggles on Apr 12, 2006 10:00:31 GMT -5
The planet would be SWEET! I saw somewhere today that the deadline is in like 8 days to get a press kit in, so spread the word fast!
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Post by degicank on Apr 12, 2006 23:56:54 GMT -5
Dear Prospective LumberJam III Band:
Thank you for your submission. We will be collecting all submissions by April 20th and we will have a decision on bands by May 2nd. On or around May 2nd, we will simply post the bands on the website (www.lumberjam.com), so please check there around that time. We will NOT be contacting the bands who are not chosen, as this would prove to be extremely time consuming and redundant if all of the information is on the website. In the past, bands have played at LumberJam exclusively for free. Due to the staging and production of the festival the past few years, there simply was no money to be had by anybody, including the organizers. This year we anticipate the possibility of the first profitable LumberJam, in which case we'd share profits amongst the bands after promotional and production costs are recouped, but we cannot guarantee this. If we do show a profit at this year's LumberJam and in an effort to help defray the travel costs of the bands, each band will be compensated based on a fixed dollar amount (to be determined) based on the number of tickets pre-sold by that band. Again, though, we cannot guarantee any payment to bands or performers. If you would choose not to play the festival knowing that you may not be getting paid for your time and effort, we understand. But we do ask that you please let us know before we make the final roster selection.
*************** Sounds shady, they have that up here at the new corvette museum night club, not only are the bands required to make all of the music, they are expected to do the promoters job too, note to degicank higher ups, please split the money some other way, never require the bands to be salesmen, they should be concentrating on music...
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Post by eargoggles on Apr 13, 2006 9:38:53 GMT -5
Maybe not the best way, but I am certain that this stems from the fact that they have never made any money, and therefore probably don't know the best way to do it since they have never been able to distribute it any way at all. There has never been a promoter, so the bands have always just done it themselves. This is a fest that is only three years old, and usually invoves a bunch of bands working together to get a sweet sound system, big ass generator, and some land etc., lose in the end, but have a great time. Of course, I know these cats, so its easier for me to know they aren't shady, so I understand the cynicism.
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Post by chriscank on Apr 13, 2006 13:57:00 GMT -5
Well Joe, I know you aren't used to promoting your band, but maybe you should try it out sometime. Please show me an example of any instance where a band does not promote itself. I would really like to see that.
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Post by degicank on Apr 13, 2006 22:22:44 GMT -5
Eargogles, thanks for the redirection. I hope the festival is a success, this kind of structure always stricks me as funny becasue any one who doesn't pre pay(most people) the door money than disapears, the bands get paid for the tickets they sell, the promotor gets paid for the bands doing their job? I trust your recomendation that these folks are above the board, I'm sorry for my jumping to conclusions. Peace...
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Post by degicank on Apr 13, 2006 22:26:20 GMT -5
************* Looks like I shit in the hot tub again folks:
"Joe,
I saw your post on the Chuck's Farm message board. I am sorry you feel that we (or I) are "shady". Let me assure you, there is nothing shady about what we do. If you had a problem with the setup, you could have easily just e-mailed me back and said you werent interested. You could have been the bigger person and simply handled it that way rather than to post to a message board.
Let me explain a few things to you. First, this festival has ALWAYS (5 years now) been about bands getting together and partying, letting lose a little, meeting new people/fans, and playing some good music. Its NOT about making money (I personally lose a good bit of money each year on this as the "promoter", but its fun, so its worth it.) I was also in one of the bands the first 4 years (Doodis - we are no longer playing it because we have since broken up, but it was always OUR festival...) and let me tell you - its a LOT of fun. The only reason we started charging last year was to cover production costs. We cannot hold it on the farm we used to hold it on, so we had to search out a new venue, and we found SSDD. It costs money to put this on, and we dont want to charge fans too much, because we want a good turnout. I am sorry we cannot guarantee the bands any money, but thats the way it is. The festival is a way to get exposure to Pgh and WV area bands and fans, and could really help a lot of bands in the future. It has helped a number of bans locally over the last few years make connections with other bands and they have also gained some newfound fans that they wouldnt have been exposed to.
As far as your comments about letting the bands concentrate on the music and not have to worry about promoting or selling themselves and tickets - I think you are WAY off base there. "Never let the bands be salesmen"?! Come on! I was in a band for a long time, and that is EXACTLEY what being in a small, local band is - constantly coming up with new music, but also constantly promoting yourself and selling yourself and your shows to people. If you dont, or cant, than you will never make it. OUr band played at Chuck's last year for (gasp!!!) - FREE and drove the whole way from Pittsburgh, on our dime, to do it. We never asked for money, nor was it a care. We wanted the experience and exposure. We also promoted it and brought fans with us. Yes, Chucks is free for the people too, but we still did our best to promote it so we were not simply "taking" and were trying to give back as well.
We were hoping to consider you guys for LumberJam because we heard you play last year and have heard your demos and like what we hear. Unfortunately, I guess its just not in the cards. Again, I am sorry you feel the way you do and that you think we are "shady". I truly wish you would have simply let it go and not posted on a message board about it.
Take care,
Mitchell"
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Post by degicank on Apr 13, 2006 22:59:22 GMT -5
Sorry Mitch, The discussion board is where we do 99% of correspondance so the mail from this box is transfered there for group discussion. Thats the message board for p22, degicank, and chuck's. I didn't mean to offend you guys, I was just sayin' . Anyhow good luck with the festy, if there is any chance of future exoneration please don't hold my cronies responsible for my lack of insight. I'll try to learn from this, my stomach hurts from making this mistake. As far as Chuck's goes... we are just another band there, my brother holds the discussion board here, there is no money a Chuck's so it is a different story I think. I guess to reiterate, i don't think you are shady, I just think "presold" profit sharing puts unneeded preasure on the bands and "seems shady". Anyhow you are in good company being drawn into a feud with me, Strangefolk is still after me and Eli for drinking all of their wiskey in the green room. Maybe after a few years probation we can try for LumberJam again... Take care, Joe
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Post by kid on Apr 14, 2006 7:21:59 GMT -5
Whoever books the gig, makes the rules..
One man for one Job.
No rules broken, just a little poopy in the Jacuzzi. We'll catch it with the skimmer.
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Post by DrCank on Apr 14, 2006 9:58:09 GMT -5
Becareful Joe if you tuck you tail any further between your legs your going to start tickling your nose.
eargogles, and Iambillsmith, I am always happy to see new members to the board and I have alot of respect for your former band. ("lets Doodis", was common phrase around the old degicank campfire for a while). But I have one piece of advice for you, don't take everything on this board to seriously. Being an international community we are forced to commit all conversations and opinions directly to public record. So conversations you would expect to be held behind closed doors, like a band member voicing opinions on a possible gig, are exposed to the entire internet community. as outthere as Gopuas bare ass on a sunday mounring at chucks. This has both advantages and drawbacks (as we have witnessed here), but it just how things must bo done.
So I urge keep posting, but always wait to hear multiple veiws before formulating group based opinions. and if you ever get to frustrated by the board just post "James is a Homo" see i feel better already.
And joe:
way to poop the pool
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Post by chriscank on Apr 14, 2006 11:57:02 GMT -5
Joe lives in Vermont BillSmith, they think everything is shady. He really did not mean to make any offense, I assure you. I for one am very excited about the further developments of Lumber Jam. I have heard a lot about Sunshine Daydream, but have never had a chance to make it down there. This will be a great time to check it out!
If you need any help with anything, website design or artwork of any kind, promoting, ect. let me know, I seem to be doing a lot of this kind of stuff lately.
peace, Chris
ps.... don't judge a degicank by its cover. :-)
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Post by Bill on Apr 14, 2006 13:19:15 GMT -5
www.google.com/search?hl=en&hs=3f7&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&defl=en&q=define:shady&sa=X&oi=glossary_definition&ct=title Related phrases: slim shady the slim shady lp the slim shady ep shady hills, florida shady hollow, tx shady grove shady shores, texas shady side, md shady avenue shady shores, tx Definitions of shady on the Web: * fly-by-night: of businesses and businessmen of questionable honesty; "a fly-by-night operation" * louche: of questionable taste or morality; "a louche nightclub"; "a louche painting" * fishy: not as expected; "there was something fishy about the accident"; "up to some funny business"; "some definitely queer goings-on"; "a shady deal"; "her motives were suspect"; "suspicious behavior" * filled with shade; "the shady side of the street"; "the surface of the pond is dark and shadowed"; "we sat on rocks in a shadowy cove"; "cool umbrageous woodlands" wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn Definition of shady (adjective) disreputable; obscure; indistinct Examples of shady A shady person would not be trusted with a sensitive secret. Joe Shady
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