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Post by unoclay on Nov 7, 2006 20:59:46 GMT -5
Hey all,
Coming to you for ideas and input. An idea that has been around since back in the days of Pat Panang's Greatest Hits has been the one of a "Bass and Banjo" album.
Ideas for this album are open for business! This thread is a place for you to offer thoughts and help shape ideas for a new concept. Joe says that this idea might turn into something so now we need some input. Please input here. Please do not be too quiet? Input is the spice of the internerd.
We need a name, unless lots of people think Bass and Banjo is a good title. For now it can work but some of us might think of a better name?
Maybe someone has some ideas in terms of lyrics to offer. I dont know much about lyrics or if they would be a part of the album at all. But if someone has some pressing ideas for lyrics, please post or send.
I will list some of my thoughts regard: input.
To give a bare-bones outline, it could be something raw and funky. Words can be difficult to describe music but let us try. We're not necessarily talking about bluegrass here. Lets think along the lines of Joe's aggressive funk-driving bass, coupled with a plunky banjo lead.
--the concept in my mind would include a lot of heavier, funkier tracks--not so much bluegrass (which is what one might think of when hearing the words 'Bass and Banjo') but rather more of your aggressive, syncopated bass playing coupled with a plunky, tweaky-but-good-enough melody by banjo. Like pickin' banjo, but not too fast. Of course, a variety of tracks would be good, but i am definitely imagining something more along the lines of the early pat panang albums/compliations.
--atonality. Not everything about this album would need to be melodious for top 40. Atonal or eastern concepts would be welcome. Probably every other track could be more aggressively 'atonal' (not necessarily adhering to a key), offset with tracks that are more plesant to the ear.
--some long tracks. Maybe stuff that meanders and allows some room for synthesizer effects and sound effects. I am never a purist...i like things like Kelleheir's theremin and backwards-playing sound effects.
--Jess on some haunting violin...maybe like echos of Jess in the background, or in the breakdown (maybe banjo stops for a while and we hear echos of some psychadelic violin)....
-- Kellehair or Jack on some jutting, puntuated abrasive sax riffs. See the new track by Tom Po and Kelleher (Tom's myspace) for reference to the kind of sax i am thinking of. Could possibly use some material from Jack's "Think locally" album if permission is granted. Again, maybe background/subconscious echos.
--recording style: i dont know much about microphones etc, but i have always had a deep affinity for the sort of recording that was used on the older albums. Probably a "not as good" kind of microphone, but i enjoy the "flatness" that comes with a non-studio recording. It has really worked well for a lot of your stuff. For reference, I mean the kind of sound quality as the "FU" song (final track) on the new Degicank sampler.
--there is no reason this album would only be "bass and banjo". However i think a predominant theme could be organized around these instruments and the many combinations one could derive. Some drumming from Josh or some guitar from Caleb would be good. If you need them delivered to VT for a recording session this could be arranged because i have a fossil-fuel vehicle. Lets talk.
-Nic Coker of Uno is a master banjo player, he has become nearly expert in only 2 years of playing. He would gladly be a part of something if we set it up. If a few bass tracks were online for Nic, he could quickly learn them and come up with some ideas. I dont know if this is a direction to go in, but it could be done and i could force him to work on it, maybe.
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Post by unoclay on Nov 7, 2006 22:38:02 GMT -5
Joe/others: Track #145 on the degicank jukebox "undefined" is <sort of> of the basic sound i am thinking of. Plunky and funky. Some/many tracks to include a premium of synthesizer and alternative psychadelic sound effects/ambiance. But a basic theme (not all tracks) could be this sort of sound. Simplistic and yet odd. This could the the basis of the album sounds, with additional layers of concepts/lyrics/musicians/instruments.
Plus that 'flat' sound of recording. That would be huge if you can figure out what i am getting at..?
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Post by vegas on Nov 8, 2006 11:34:01 GMT -5
I think you said it best Uno Clay....you mentioned it in your posting.
It is a great name
"BARE-BONES"
That is it! If you decide on it, I would be happy to work on a logo for it.
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Post by unoclay on Nov 8, 2006 12:08:47 GMT -5
Thanks for the input! Bare-Bones can be added to a list of titles for review by the community, and I personally think it is a good one!!
Suggested titles Brainstorm: Bare-Bones Bear-Bones Bore-Bones Bare_Bones (no dash) Bass and Bare Bones Banjo Jones and Bear Bones Bear and Banjo Bones-Bones Big Bass and Bare Bones Banjo (aka B*5) "The Beginning of The Republicank Revoluno Jones"
2nd, i think i would speak for anyone on the planet who would say "your art would be a valuable contribution to this project"!!!!! I have contacted one other degi-visual-artist who might/not be interested in submitting a piece for the album art, but nothing at all is final. Perhaps the album jacket could be a hybridization or one piece for the front sleeve and another for the back. Or maybe labels on the CD itself could feature the artwork of one person.
If you have any concepts or sketches, please scan them and post here if possible so others can review?
Hey vegas, also sorry for not getting back to you about the Top Secret Plan. I didnt have time to pull it off and so we will save it for another event, ok?
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Post by unoclay on Nov 8, 2006 12:28:52 GMT -5
In summary, maybe i could bring Nic to VT if needed for studio reasons. Pre-preparation via internet tracks would help make for a more expedient recording session. Caleb might come in the car as well? Joe let us know your thoughts.
Here is a reply from Nic Coker (posted to the red9 message board):
bass and banjo are probably my two favorite instruments. as was assumed, im almost always ready to make music or perhaps "music".... i tote around my banjo and often a backpack full of noisemaking items at all times, in hopes that something will manifest itself....
bass tracks would work, actually playing in a room would be better....
room + people + instruments = funzies with make thingy go bang
always up for a good fusion...just drop a line. in addition, the octo (Nic's house) has good acoustics and atmosphere (and instrumentation)... bring caleb, etc, down here some weekend. or whenever probably... got nothing but time from now till december, with a few exceptions.
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Post by Joe on Nov 8, 2006 13:40:48 GMT -5
Banjo Jones and Bear Bones: "The Beginning of The Republicank Revoluno Jones"
Artwork by knider.
Lets put this on a nov/dec/jan schedule. Final album 2/1/7
i'll try to get some tracks together, stick with normal weird normal wierd idea. Nic, caleb, josh... Bring them up! I'll handle the backwards sax and stuff in post production. nic do you want to play on all, one or some songs? i try to get some demo versions up soon, nick do you want to write half the songs or should i send you recordings with chords? Lets try to exchange demos in the next few weeks with a goal of 12/1 to have a few songs moving through, we could make a demo and then have the crew come up here, there is a studio at the bottom of my hill...
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Post by unoclay on Nov 8, 2006 14:30:25 GMT -5
Hey Joe here is comment from Nic:
>>>>nic do you want to play on all, one or some songs? sure, why not..
>>>nick do you want to write half the songs or should i send you recordings with chords?
send some stuff and we'll go from there.
>>>>>weird normal weird normal...
fine stategery, for there is no out without the in, and vicea versa. the everlasting hob-gobblin, etc.
Yo Joe, so basically, if you start creating a few bass soundbytes and post them for his review, the project will roll...let me know. Nic's email is ohmygord@hotmail.com if you would like to contact him directly!
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Post by chriscank on Nov 8, 2006 14:34:04 GMT -5
Sounds like a great album! I can look into getting a visit to your studio by Corey Neidig...
If you need any saxophone avante, or otherwise, I'm down artwork too! Great things are happening at VORCAN.com...Joe I need to talk to you ASAP!
Chris
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Post by Joe on Nov 9, 2006 8:24:52 GMT -5
Nice, i went and had the studio pencil us in for dec or jan, probably better do it after the big NYE show, yeah i won't be able to come down, My work is tight and also I think Mike is coming up to visit from forida and scott from boston.
Anyhow, the studio is ready, my plan is to head in Nic,Me , Caleb Josh for a quick session after practice at my house, we'll try to start the demos now, ideally the philadelphia contingent can run through the record in rehearsal before the producer(clay) brings them up.
I'll get together some demos right away, clay do you want to pick some p[ast hits to be revamped?
Hey I'm going to brattleborro radio to do a p22 interview, we're getting great pennetration with advanced rythmic studies, is banjobass works out maybe we can use the same studio for the 4th p22 album this winter...
FU is my prize recording, I used three relatively cheap mics and recorded to super-duper high speed tape. The brand new drumset helped, i consider that the highpoint of Pat Panang...
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Post by chriscank on Nov 9, 2006 9:13:17 GMT -5
Hot news on the Degicank frontline!......
Vort and I will be dropping a painting off at the 40/40 Club in A.C. for Jay Z and 40/40 AC's 1 year anniversary. We will be attending the invite only private party later in the evening there.
Major Degicank news!
VORCAN is delivering Jay Z's new 40"x40" painting, "Pat Panang Popped Up In Brooklyn" at 4PM today, bangin' private party to follow.
We are in it to win ladies, and Joe, I think that bad luck done run it's course!
Yours In Art, VORCAN
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Post by unoclay on Nov 9, 2006 11:31:03 GMT -5
Here is one suggestion from production assistant Leon Blue 2 Valschwagi:
1. Re: Working Title: Bass and Banjo Posted by: "jedimapster" phreon26@hotmail.com jedimapster Date: Wed Nov 8, 2006 9:08 am ((PST))
The album can be 3 pieces of music written by whomever for one instrument.
The first track would be the banjo playing the piece forward
the second track could be the base playing the piece backwards
the third will be the both intruments playing the piece togeather but one will be forwards and one will be backwards.
Since there are 3 pieces of music this process will repeat 3 times with the final track of the album to be a huge mixture of the the tracks where the both instruments play the piece.
Confused? I might be but it sounds cool. Blue 2
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Post by unoclay on Nov 9, 2006 11:38:40 GMT -5
Joe posted:
>>>>>Anyhow, the studio is ready, my plan is to head in Nic,Me , Caleb Josh for a quick session after practice at my house, we'll try to start the demos now, ideally the philadelphia contingent can run through the record in rehearsal before the producer(clay) brings them up.
00: I am starting to think I better talk to the Gwinn brothers about this project. Now that I think about it, I dont think i've pitched the idea to them quite yet. Caleb i think will be easy. Josh can be more challenging. I imagine that the visit will work for early/mid January...probably leave Philly Friday evening and arrive middle of the night Saturday AM. Then work on Saturday afternoon and evening? and whenever you have studio time. Unless something major changes i imagine most of us would need to return to Philly by Sunday night?
We will work on a date for said adventure and figuring out the correct vehicle for transport.
Also, if we get some demos, then i think all folks involved could listen and think. Maybe even play together! Nic and Caleb could be arranged for sure.
>>>>>>I'll get together some demos right away, clay do you want to pick some p[ast hits to be revamped?
I will put the Degicank complete v.1->12 into my cd player this afternoon and look for potential hits.
>>>>>>FU is my prize recording, I used three relatively cheap mics and recorded to super-duper high speed tape. The brand new drumset helped, i consider that the highpoint of Pat Panang...
I'd have to largely agree. That recording has been something that both Royce and I have listened to 100 times and both are like, "uh, this is awesome!?" but i never knew the name until the recent fall sampler disc named it for me.
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Post by brah custafari on Nov 9, 2006 19:21:36 GMT -5
Hello, mirthlings, i come in pieces. firstly, clay, like i said on red9, worth repetetion being in a different nerd forum and all, your praisings of my banjo skillz is greatly appreciated, however, im certainly decades away from mastery. i would (more than) love to play with some of ye folks, and collaborate until the cows some home to roost. as was copy pasted, "in/out" relation ship is a must, and thus far ive been getting way way In the past two years, its high time i tote the 5-string into an out-tistic setting. so long story short, i'm in for experimentation and a friendly plunk, be it the will of the head. for the psychedelic/tangent intertwined segments (which i am quite fond of), i vote to keeping the "synth" to a minimum. i like effects and noises, etc... but a lot of synth sounding synthiness is, in my humble opinion , that which is better avoided. just a thought for the collective conception of music sounds. but all this is a but a bowl of cherries, as they say in cherry country.
like the late great wesley willis said "Kodak, see what develops"...
may the pharce be with you, nic of uno
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Post by brah custafari on Nov 9, 2006 19:33:25 GMT -5
lastly, i forgot to say, while we are saying ideas, im a fan of percussion heavy music. we'll see if its good for this project, but i have this cool thing called a "Boing Board" which is basically a prepared zither... and a bunch of (some)semi-unconventional percussion toys and the like. also, while we're planning, i also think over-planning should be avoided! i made a myspace with some somewhat crude recordings on em, i did with a friend of mine ... www.myspace.com/nicsmusicpagethats all, back to your degicankerings nic
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Post by joe on Nov 9, 2006 21:00:30 GMT -5
Yo nic welcome to nerdland junior. Once you come in there's only one way out, like the mob. Check out some stuff I did with Josh and Caleb www.geocities.com/rjs121576/planet22.html and compare it to the stuff I do on my own, degicank.googlepages.com/jsgh and add what you do www.myspace.com/nicsmusicpage than break it down to a four piece band drums guitar bass and banjo. Lets think about that backwards forwards 3 song cycle. I can get 1 or 2 hours recording time max at the studio down the high from me, so hopefull we can get some shiznit together. I know what you mean about over planning. Maybe we can just go in with some rough sketchs of chord progressions and a couple of heads and bridges. I came up with about 4 progressions since clay started this progect a few days ago, you can take the first 10 I send you, you can keep regecting them until you find a good one, or you can just send me what you want to do. We need to kind of be prepared though because we will only get 1 or 2 passes max in the studio. I'll try to arrange a show at a local coffee house or something too, I haven't had much luck booking up here though, the place Josh, Caleb, MikeG and I played in shut down. I have a lead though... Keep in touch, i'll try to SEND US UP a few demos by midnextweek. Heres the guy doing the cover art: degicank.googlepages.com/kinderartTake care...
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